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Some thoughts on the Trillion Dollar bailouts.

Is the head of anyone else spinning uncontrollably with the current market debacle?

I know my head is. I know that I think the bailout is a BIG mistake.

Dave Ramsey has a good idea on it which you can listen to here.

I also like this article on Lear Capital, the people that provide the free real-time program for tracking the precious metal prices, ExactPrice:

THE BAILOUT PLAN - WHAT DOES IT MEAN? - ESPECIALLY FOR GOLD AND T BONDS...

"There are several important observations to make regarding the "bailout plan". The first is that it is obviously born out of desperation. The second is that it is Grand Larceny as its aim is to unload all of the debts and obligations accrued by banks, brokers and various other large corporations and institutions as a result of years of recklessness and incompetance and sheer greed off onto the taxpayer, the underlying reason for this being the extensive crony connections between Wall St and Washington and the associated enormous political clout Wall St exercises in Washington. The third observation is that as far as arresting the financial crisis is concerned, it simply can't work and won`t work - the proposed $1.2 trillion slush fund intended to fund this giant garbage dump is still peanuts compared to the towering $47 trillion debt market and the even larger derivatives time bomb."

MarketWatch is always a great source of news too:

Bernanke rides to rescue of Paulson plan

I like some of the comments on that article:

"Bernanke is a fool. If taxpayers are paying the "hold to maturity price" for these worthless assets and then taking the risk to hold to maturity, what are we getting back in return? NOTHING. Not even a cent in interest.

"The market has valued these worthless asset at market price which is close to worthless. He has not answered how much we are going to pay for these asset."

I got to say I like Ramsey's idea of just covering the insurance on the mortgages and not buying up all the mortgages.

If we're going to be forced into a trillion dollar investment as tax payers we should be getting a return but the truth of the matter is that the tax payer will never see a return. The government will eat it up if one does magically appear. Which I doubt at this point in the game.

Another thought I have is if the government really wants to go socialist on this whole deal why not go whole hog and not bailout the banks. Instead bail out the homeowners. Pay their mortgages off for them. That way the tax payer gets the return right off the bat. Just a ludicrous thought as my head continues to spin.

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Total American Debt

I was reading this morning this article:
GOLD FUNDAMENTALS STILL POINTING TOWARDS $2000+
And it struck some pretty good cords with me. Though I don't know if gold will hit over 2 grand but here's a graph that scares the pants off me

Total American Debt

As you can see here total US debt is growing faster than its national income. Ever tried to run a business which its debt grows faster than its income? Well, needless to say you would be heading straight into bankruptcy. And that's exactly what's happening with the US, they're heading straight into bankruptcy which is of course extremely dollar negative. The only way to work its way out of debt is through inflation.

Something to think about. The article includes a bunch more graphs and statistics worth considering.

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Housing market timebomb the new 1929

The Great Depression was caused by overinflated value of assets. The Roaring Twenties came to an abrupt end in 1929 when the market collapsed. Now, we have regulation to prevent such excessive leverage. You no longer can put down 5% and borrow 95% on margin to put into a "great company stock" and make 10,000%+ profit.

Today, the situation seems to be very similar to the conditions of the Roaring Twenties. Housing values accelerated upwards, doubling every year. But when bubble bursts, who will end up holding the bag? In the 1929, that ended up everyone as the people owing the money had nothing. Do people affected by current housing correction have something? BBC has an interesting article about this,

In May 2006, at the height of the housing boom, Karen Trainer bought a $500,000 apartment in California - with money borrowed from her bank.

By this year, Karen still owed $500,000 on her mortgage, but her apartment was worth $200,000 less.

So she was deep in negative equity and, to make matters worse, the interest rate on her loan was about to increase.

"I thought 'this is crazy'," Ms Trainer says. "It just does not make financial sense."

As a successful professional, Karen could comfortably have managed the higher mortgage payments her bank demanded.

Instead, she decided to stop her mortgage payments altogether and let her bank repossess her apartment.

Her credit record will be badly damaged by the decision, but Ms Trainer expects this to recover soon.

"Generally speaking, within 5 years you are about back where you were, so my husband and I decided we'll take the hit and live with it."

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7529277.stm

Ladies and gentleman, I bring you financial armageddon with this news.

This is not an exaggeration. The debts owed on many mortgages that were interest-only, or the great bubble-mortgages (cheap rate for 3 years, then refinance). The financial sector has not screwed themselves over, they have screwed everyone over. This includes people that take care of their finances, pay (or paid off) their mortgage and never were late on their credit card payoffs.

How does it affect all of us?

The government will bail out all the institutions that are ending up holding these worthless properties. National debt will increase. Dollar will devalue. Inflation will increase.

This will affect people everywhere, including Canada, Europe, China, India. The toxic debt has reached every corner of the financial world. Hundreds of billions have already evaporated. When this is over, trillions may be at risk. Trillions that never existed in the first place, but were used as collateral for investments, including creating more worthless property.

When people start walking away, without any repercussions, the potential for damage is worse than 1929 stock market collapse. Especially in light that many view "we'll take the hit" as walking away from their debt!!! Wow!

I'm but left with a question. Why can't I just buy stock 5 cents to a dollar and when the company goes sour, I can just walk away like these homeowners?

Disclaimer: I do not have money invested in the banks, financial sector, or housing. Nor have I lost money because of these shenanigan. This is not a sour grapes post.

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Israel Threatens to Attack Iran

This scares the heck out of me.  Although a war with Iran would cause the oil and gold markets to go up much much higher, no amount of money would be worth nuclear warfare.

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Inflation is the New Buzzword

Seems all I read about in the news lately is inflation.  I'm curious whether people will start putting two and two together and bid up the gold price like the Vietnamese.


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Inflation Batters Vietnam

Here is an article in the WSJ today about Vietnam's inflation threatening to morph into a full-blown crisis.  What I find most interesting is that Vietnam was also the world's biggest gold consumer last quarter (even ahead of India).  It seems the Vietnamese are rushing to buy gold as a hedge against inflation.  Will this perhaps extend to the rest of the world eventually?

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Iran’s President Wants it Both Ways

The associated press came out with a staggering report out of Iran April 19, 2008. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared $115 barrel oil “too low”. He said, “The oil price of $115 a barrel in today’s global markets is a deceiving figure. Oil is a strategic commodity that needs to discover its real value.”

He also claimed that $115 barrel oil was still below the inflation adjusted highs set in 1980. Ahmadinejad called the United States arrogant and selfish and said us Americans believe oil is a free commodity. He then went on to comment on the U.S. currency and called the dollar “a handful of paper” lacking global support. A website quoted Ahmadinejad as saying, “The dollar is not money and longer but a handful of paper distributed in the world without commodity support.”

Ahmadinejad’s points he was trying to make are right on the mark but the evidence he uses is certainly flawed making his credibility all but lacking. I must downright dismiss his remarks that the price of oil is still too low. While I believe oil is bound to go higher the current price of oil is the current price of oil with no questions asked. There’s no conspiracy to keep the price of oil low. Now a much more appropriate argument would to say that per cup oil is cheaper than bottled water and to go more in depth on the facts of oil depletion. Making the argument that global production is higher now than it most likely will ever be again it would be all but conclusive that oil is bound to shoot up higher than it is right now.

His inflation adjusted numbers do nothing to support his claim. If you adjust the 1980 high of $38/bbl you will get a number between $96 and $103 barrel oil. Even if the price is lower than it was in 1980 it certainly should be higher anyway as global production was still increasing even though the United States peaked nationally in the early 1970s. Whether the numbers are higher are lower by some a few percentage points is trivial and a moot point as it totally disregards the reason why oil prices are where they are today. It’s about the rate of oil depletion a topic Ahmadinejad didn’t mention once.

His bearish view on the dollar has no merit. He calls it a handful of paper with no global or commodity support. He is right the commodity support is not there but fiat currency is not backed by an underlying commodity but a faith in the nation which the currency is printed that their monetary and economic policy is sound. Global support is still certainly there. While it may not always be there the facts Ahmadinejad are stating are downright incorrect. The Chinese are still buying our debt and as long as this happens our dollar will remain somewhat propped up. Of course if this support ever went away our dollar would crash and would only be compounded by runs on the dollar and the U.S. banking system. Neither our gold reserves at Fort Knox nor our currency reserves would be enough to help keep our currency stable in that situation as our gold would last two days and our currency reserves roughly eight seconds.

Ahmadinejad seems to want it both ways as these assertions seem nothing more than Iranian PR. It is no surprise that high oil prices and a weak dollar would benefit Iran’s economy. Of course if the reason for high oil prices is an increase in the rate of global oil depletion than that would mean Iran and Iraq may certainly be in decline and would also assume their reserves may be less than what has been stated. This would give not only Iran but all OPEC nations less leverage in the world.

On a more rhetorical note, a crashing dollar crashed would not be a handful of paper but of cotton

Source: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080419/iran_oil.html

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Seth Klarman at MIT Sloan

On October 27, 2007, Seth Klarman who manages the Baupost Group gave a speech as well as answered questions at the MIT Sloan Investment Management Conference. Klarman stressed tuning out daily market blips. He noted most investors can’t tune out the so called noise. I would tend to agree with this assessment. Even so called “Buffett Followers” who preach his mantra of never looking at stock quotes – many of them do, it’s just not in vogue. His conservative and somewhat boring approach to investing has given him impressive returns by any measure. Not only has he significantly outperformed the market but he has made money for his limited partners 24 out of 25 years. The key to this high yield investing approach is to first focus on downside risk before even considering the upside. He has also made his money without ever using leverage. Klarman makes the point that the market should not dictate you and using margin allows it to do just that. “It’s a slippery slope”, he said while referring to using leverage. “If you are on a small amount of leverage, why not use more?” Leverage is addicting.

“We are in an era of leverage,” he said to the crowd. Klarman noted that the last two generations of American have been using their homes as ATM machines and have been buying more goods on credit. He pointed out the problem wasn’t just amongst Main Street. Investment Banks have been pushing structured investment vehicles and exotic finances and the rating agencies have been labeling “toxic waste” as investment grade.

This situation has certainly become worse since October of 2007 and Klarman seems to have been very right on the severity of this theme which many pundits were calling trivial. Klarman noted last year that “Leverage is at record high levels…probably the beginning of a credit de-leveraging period.” He pointed out that the debt crisis is probably not near the end since people who owe money are taking out more debt to cure the problem. “This very ‘cure’ is what caused the problem in the first place”, he said.

In today’s environment credit receivables are ballooning. Perhaps the next round of defaults will take place in this arena. If you can’t take money out of your house anymore why not just swipe plastic? This type of mindset I believe is very prevalent in American society and while pundits such as Larry Kudlow will easily dismiss this rationale, I would be skeptical of this assessment.

Theo's picture
   

Un-thawing the Frozen Mortgage Markets with Cash

$300 million from Australia, $100 billion from England.  How much money can we throw at this problem?

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Monetary policy is officially out the door

  1. Fed 50 point "emergency" cut
  2. Fed 75 point cut
  3. Fed cuts some more (lost count!)
  4. Fed gives banks $200 billion to play with
  5. Fed is planning on another 75 point cut next week

All this in light that there is serious inflation problems coming this way. Prices for products in EUR are a lot higher than USD, but aside from that, recently inflation for manufacturing input costs was way up. Inflation in the manufacturing center of the world, China, is nearing or surpassed 10%. The answer to all of this? Fsck the long term monetary policy - bail out the banks at all costs.

If this continues, prices for commodity prices are not going to stay where they are, they are just going to go up. Commodities are the ONLY thing that can be perceived as having any real value anymore. Fed just bought $200 billion of "mortgage backed assets". If they instead bought toilet paper, it would actually be a worthwhile investment. I have a feeling that most of the so called "mortgage backed assets" will be worth closer to $200 million.

We are quickly getting into uncharted territory with these cowboys at the helm. The future of USD and the speed and magnitude of its devaluation is currently a big ?
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